1 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:21,830 [Music] 2 00:00:38,530 --> 00:00:35,290 now your electrifying hosts of exploring 3 00:00:41,190 --> 00:00:38,540 the bizarre Timothy Begley and team 4 00:00:47,110 --> 00:00:45,189 Tim Tim are you bet oh hey there you are 5 00:00:49,540 --> 00:00:47,120 what are you doing back here in the 6 00:00:51,790 --> 00:00:49,550 garden with the sprinkler kin 7 00:00:54,579 --> 00:00:51,800 I didn't know you had any interest in 8 00:00:57,100 --> 00:00:54,589 gardening I watch it you're getting too 9 00:01:00,969 --> 00:00:57,110 close to those garden gnomes and you may 10 00:01:03,490 --> 00:01:00,979 get them wet they may fall over oh don't 11 00:01:06,340 --> 00:01:03,500 talk so loud Tim those are not ceramic 12 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:06,350 figures the real gnomes keeping under 13 00:01:11,620 --> 00:01:08,690 cover they don't like to be so easily 14 00:01:14,140 --> 00:01:11,630 recognized that people try to even steal 15 00:01:16,750 --> 00:01:14,150 them off of people's lawns thinking they 16 00:01:18,969 --> 00:01:16,760 can bring them good luck if they take 17 00:01:21,670 --> 00:01:18,979 them home with them don't you know 18 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:21,680 anything about gnomes okay that's the 19 00:01:26,260 --> 00:01:23,810 craziest thing I've ever heard of gnomes 20 00:01:29,139 --> 00:01:26,270 are not real they're just part of 21 00:01:31,510 --> 00:01:29,149 people's fantasies openledger 22 00:01:33,639 --> 00:01:31,520 that's what you think I guess tonight 23 00:01:37,300 --> 00:01:33,649 will set the record straight for your 24 00:01:41,260 --> 00:01:37,310 sorry ass well okay let's get back to 25 00:01:43,090 --> 00:01:41,270 the KC or our studio and and you're 26 00:01:45,219 --> 00:01:43,100 getting me all wet and it's pretty 27 00:01:49,020 --> 00:01:45,229 chilly out here as it is well say 28 00:01:52,660 --> 00:01:49,030 goodbye to the nones I think you know I 29 00:01:59,969 --> 00:01:52,670 swear sometimes I don't know 30 00:02:11,470 --> 00:02:05,499 no boy you know why would you believe in 31 00:02:15,570 --> 00:02:11,480 gnomes thin oh well I mean there is a 32 00:02:19,330 --> 00:02:15,580 long history as you well know Tim of 33 00:02:21,850 --> 00:02:19,340 elemental types of creatures so I mean 34 00:02:25,860 --> 00:02:21,860 all over the world for four centuries 35 00:02:28,649 --> 00:02:25,870 probably even a lot further back 36 00:02:30,270 --> 00:02:28,659 than that and I mean there's been some 37 00:02:33,990 --> 00:02:30,280 really interesting photographs 38 00:02:38,119 --> 00:02:34,000 especially from South America of voom 39 00:02:40,770 --> 00:02:38,129 that's right Noam like creatures yeah 40 00:02:44,539 --> 00:02:40,780 it's it's hard one to know what to call 41 00:02:47,839 --> 00:02:44,549 them well you just you just put together 42 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:47,849 edited a book that's just the hair under 43 00:02:58,650 --> 00:02:52,810 500 pages it's Tim Schwartz big book of 44 00:03:01,650 --> 00:02:58,660 incredible alien encounters and there's 45 00:03:03,509 --> 00:03:01,660 some photographs in there of gnomes just 46 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:03,519 like you mentioned and our guest tonight 47 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:08,290 has contributed a of a chapter so we 48 00:03:15,390 --> 00:03:10,810 know that gnomes are gnomes and that 49 00:03:18,740 --> 00:03:15,400 there are no that are sir gnomes and I'm 50 00:03:21,750 --> 00:03:18,750 wondering you know most domes seem to be 51 00:03:25,140 --> 00:03:21,760 been or mail or something I wonder if 52 00:03:26,789 --> 00:03:25,150 they get the coming fee bill no I'd 53 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:26,799 rather have a couple of female gnomes in 54 00:03:31,650 --> 00:03:28,810 my yard and male gnomes but that's just 55 00:03:34,650 --> 00:03:31,660 you know my my way of thinking I suppose 56 00:03:37,979 --> 00:03:34,660 anyway how are things out there in 57 00:03:42,839 --> 00:03:37,989 Jasper Indiana oh it's it's going well 58 00:03:46,289 --> 00:03:42,849 we we survived the holidays and now glad 59 00:03:48,599 --> 00:03:46,299 to be back in the KCR studios you know 60 00:03:51,479 --> 00:03:48,609 we had a great guest laughed last week 61 00:03:58,500 --> 00:03:51,489 who called us all the way from Brazil 62 00:04:00,449 --> 00:03:58,510 and our guest today thank heavens for 63 00:04:03,539 --> 00:04:00,459 her she it's 4 o'clock in the morning 64 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:03,549 where she's calling from so a bless 65 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:06,970 Susan's heart for a crane to get up so 66 00:04:11,610 --> 00:04:09,010 bright and early to be on exploring the 67 00:04:16,259 --> 00:04:11,620 bazaar with us I could hear her heart 68 00:04:18,779 --> 00:04:16,269 pounding over here anyway 69 00:04:21,060 --> 00:04:18,789 do it do introduce our guests for the 70 00:04:25,620 --> 00:04:21,070 evening and then we can get on with the 71 00:04:29,879 --> 00:04:25,630 serious discussion about gnomes well we 72 00:04:32,490 --> 00:04:29,889 are so happy to have a return visit from 73 00:04:36,719 --> 00:04:32,500 our good friend Susan Demeter st. Clare 74 00:04:39,990 --> 00:04:36,729 and you mentioned that she has a chapter 75 00:04:42,180 --> 00:04:40,000 in our new book incredible alien 76 00:04:46,310 --> 00:04:42,190 counters and her chapter is called UFO 77 00:04:49,740 --> 00:04:46,320 visitations and rogue occupants now 78 00:04:51,930 --> 00:04:49,750 Susan is a professional research 79 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:51,940 assistant author editor and SCI 80 00:04:56,030 --> 00:04:54,370 experimenter her research interests 81 00:04:59,730 --> 00:04:56,040 include individual and institutional 82 00:05:02,610 --> 00:04:59,740 responses to anomalies and exceptional 83 00:05:05,850 --> 00:05:02,620 human experiences and how they interact 84 00:05:08,610 --> 00:05:05,860 and enact change within individuals 85 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:08,620 groups and large institutions such as 86 00:05:13,380 --> 00:05:10,810 the military now her life took on the 87 00:05:16,050 --> 00:05:13,390 framework of UFO experience after her 88 00:05:19,890 --> 00:05:16,060 own encounter in 1990 and she continues 89 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:19,900 anomalous studies to her to be her true 90 00:05:24,170 --> 00:05:21,850 life's work she has established both 91 00:05:27,420 --> 00:05:24,180 para researchers of Ontario and 92 00:05:30,840 --> 00:05:27,430 paranormal studies and inquiry Canada 93 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:30,850 has online educational resources for 94 00:05:36,030 --> 00:05:33,450 those wishing to explore the subject of 95 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:36,040 anomalous events in Canada and I guess 96 00:05:43,170 --> 00:05:40,210 now she's gonna have to open a a chapter 97 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:43,180 there in Italy so Susan is a 98 00:05:47,790 --> 00:05:44,770 contributing author as I said for the 99 00:05:51,090 --> 00:05:47,800 newly released Tim Schwartz's big book 100 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:51,100 of incredible alien counters and Robbie 101 00:05:56,460 --> 00:05:54,310 Graham's anthology UFOs reframing the 102 00:05:58,050 --> 00:05:56,470 debate so citizen thank you very much 103 00:06:00,600 --> 00:05:58,060 for being back with us again on 104 00:06:04,500 --> 00:06:00,610 exploring the bizarre well thank you for 105 00:06:08,460 --> 00:06:04,510 having me and Happy New Year guys New 106 00:06:11,430 --> 00:06:08,470 Year to you yeah yeah and how do you 107 00:06:14,250 --> 00:06:11,440 like living in the in Italy well you 108 00:06:17,130 --> 00:06:14,260 know it's it's beautiful here I I have 109 00:06:19,140 --> 00:06:17,140 to admit I I really I am well I'm still 110 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:19,150 not sort of honeymoon phase not only in 111 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:21,010 in my life because I recently got 112 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:23,860 married but with my new life my new home 113 00:06:30,570 --> 00:06:26,530 in Italy it's yeah that's beautiful and 114 00:06:35,280 --> 00:06:30,580 thank you thank you so much are you in 115 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:35,290 the city or in the countryside I am in a 116 00:06:41,719 --> 00:06:38,650 medieval village in the mountain region 117 00:06:45,210 --> 00:06:41,729 of the Apennines in North Italy and 118 00:06:49,140 --> 00:06:45,220 where I am is a very sort of magical 119 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:49,150 place there is a lot of Celtic as well 120 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:52,330 as a true skin sort of archeological 121 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:53,650 area 122 00:06:58,380 --> 00:06:56,410 there's beautiful mountains there's a 123 00:07:00,180 --> 00:06:58,390 lot of Mythology surrounding these 124 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:00,190 mountains including sort of strange 125 00:07:05,970 --> 00:07:02,770 gnome like characters and things so I 126 00:07:08,580 --> 00:07:05,980 have actually started a new website that 127 00:07:12,420 --> 00:07:08,590 I'm going to be working on periodically 128 00:07:15,330 --> 00:07:12,430 called 40 in Italy so that's gonna start 129 00:07:18,750 --> 00:07:15,340 start covering that it'll be English 130 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:18,760 language based at first so I have that 131 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:20,530 as a project and I'm also writing my own 132 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:24,130 book on witchcraft which is going to be 133 00:07:30,270 --> 00:07:27,250 primarily based in Central European sort 134 00:07:32,700 --> 00:07:30,280 of which experience that it's also going 135 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:32,710 to have UFOs in it because there's 136 00:07:38,970 --> 00:07:35,890 always there's always UFO so I've got a 137 00:07:41,580 --> 00:07:38,980 lot of projects going forward in 2020 138 00:07:43,950 --> 00:07:41,590 and yeah but right now I'm so excited to 139 00:07:45,630 --> 00:07:43,960 be part of your book and and thank you 140 00:07:48,780 --> 00:07:45,640 again for having me on the show I love 141 00:07:50,340 --> 00:07:48,790 talking to you guys I have to get a copy 142 00:07:53,940 --> 00:07:50,350 out there to you in fact I don't have 143 00:07:57,690 --> 00:07:53,950 your current address well let let us 144 00:08:02,430 --> 00:07:57,700 start off with with gnomes our gnomes 145 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:02,440 know known all over the world uh yeah 146 00:08:08,550 --> 00:08:05,890 they are in various sort of guises like 147 00:08:11,370 --> 00:08:08,560 I try to I put them in with sort of the 148 00:08:14,969 --> 00:08:11,380 idea of dwarfs or little people or 149 00:08:18,150 --> 00:08:14,979 little types of you know supernatural 150 00:08:22,290 --> 00:08:18,160 beings that have been easily associated 151 00:08:24,750 --> 00:08:22,300 with UFOs other than the you know more I 152 00:08:27,719 --> 00:08:24,760 guess traditional now communion like 153 00:08:31,230 --> 00:08:27,729 gray of whitley strieber there have been 154 00:08:34,050 --> 00:08:31,240 a wide variety of little type people I 155 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:34,060 was recently reading a case here that 156 00:08:39,899 --> 00:08:36,610 was very well documented from the 1950s 157 00:08:43,860 --> 00:08:39,909 in Italy where a woman described very 158 00:08:48,390 --> 00:08:43,870 traditional snow white like dwarf beings 159 00:08:51,870 --> 00:08:48,400 with a UFO landing so yeah they are all 160 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:51,880 over the world with different names I 161 00:08:56,250 --> 00:08:54,130 mean the ones here that in where I'm 162 00:08:59,010 --> 00:08:56,260 living are most of them are called like 163 00:09:00,690 --> 00:08:59,020 Mars if he go I'm probably really 164 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:00,700 butchering that because it's it's 4:00 165 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:02,770 a.m. here and I don't speak a well 166 00:09:07,380 --> 00:09:06,250 Italian yes now that case that you just 167 00:09:09,330 --> 00:09:07,390 mentioned is 168 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:09,340 that where the little people tried to 169 00:09:24,060 --> 00:09:12,730 steal the woman's stockings yes that's 170 00:09:26,910 --> 00:09:24,070 the me no my know that I do know I 171 00:09:28,830 --> 00:09:26,920 remember there's a great illustration I 172 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:28,840 think it was on the cover of Faith 173 00:09:34,350 --> 00:09:32,050 magazine back maybe in 1956 or something 174 00:09:37,380 --> 00:09:34,360 like that where she's fighting off the 175 00:09:41,790 --> 00:09:37,390 little creatures as they try to run with 176 00:09:43,830 --> 00:09:41,800 her stockings and flowers so there you 177 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:43,840 go don't don't trust a gnome or should 178 00:09:49,230 --> 00:09:45,850 you trust a gnome I mean our gnomes good 179 00:09:54,540 --> 00:09:49,240 and bad or or or how do they fit on the 180 00:09:56,790 --> 00:09:54,550 scale of alien agenda hostility wives oh 181 00:09:59,430 --> 00:09:56,800 I think it depends on your experience 182 00:10:01,290 --> 00:09:59,440 with them and how you feel about a known 183 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:01,300 stealing your stockings like I mean I 184 00:10:10,020 --> 00:10:06,850 wouldn't be too happy with that some 185 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:10,030 might give it over willingly yeah I 186 00:10:16,710 --> 00:10:14,890 think I think I think the gnomes are not 187 00:10:19,350 --> 00:10:16,720 like I don't think that they're 188 00:10:21,900 --> 00:10:19,360 necessarily evil but all of these beings 189 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:21,910 have some sort of like sinister kind of 190 00:10:27,210 --> 00:10:24,490 side of them like that you know I guess 191 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:27,220 like humans right you know some are good 192 00:10:33,630 --> 00:10:30,210 some are bad and you know in between 193 00:10:35,550 --> 00:10:33,640 yeah so I would say though in general in 194 00:10:37,830 --> 00:10:35,560 the lore gnomes are not considered to be 195 00:10:40,020 --> 00:10:37,840 like you know they're they're not as 196 00:10:42,390 --> 00:10:40,030 maybe mischievous as leprechauns or 197 00:10:45,780 --> 00:10:42,400 other ones like you know do you really 198 00:10:49,560 --> 00:10:45,790 want to know well no we set it off the 199 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:49,570 program it kind of as a in ingest with 200 00:10:57,680 --> 00:10:53,610 my watering the the the gnomes 201 00:11:01,080 --> 00:10:57,690 pretending to be ceramic figures but 202 00:11:02,850 --> 00:11:01,090 they know you had a case that you've 203 00:11:05,780 --> 00:11:02,860 described in the incredible alien 204 00:11:09,060 --> 00:11:05,790 encounters that was sent in to you by a 205 00:11:10,620 --> 00:11:09,070 gentleman that lived in New York and I 206 00:11:14,010 --> 00:11:10,630 guess he was traveling to visit his 207 00:11:16,790 --> 00:11:14,020 family in upstate and tell us what what 208 00:11:20,220 --> 00:11:16,800 happened what his gnome experience was 209 00:11:22,260 --> 00:11:20,230 well his experiences 210 00:11:24,780 --> 00:11:22,270 it's really it was very interesting to 211 00:11:28,260 --> 00:11:24,790 me because the experience was more it 212 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:28,270 was an auditory sort of an experience of 213 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:30,970 where the the gnomes were talking to he 214 00:11:35,850 --> 00:11:33,130 was hearing these voices now I first 215 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:35,860 should I want to mention this person is 216 00:11:42,170 --> 00:11:38,530 it's an urban professional living in New 217 00:11:45,630 --> 00:11:42,180 York City but the experience that he had 218 00:11:48,780 --> 00:11:45,640 occurred more I guess and not really a 219 00:11:52,590 --> 00:11:48,790 rural area but very much like outside of 220 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:52,600 a major city he was visiting and in 221 00:12:00,060 --> 00:11:55,450 three separate occasions he heard sort 222 00:12:02,370 --> 00:12:00,070 of speaking to him and what happened is 223 00:12:03,900 --> 00:12:02,380 is he was sort of led as these voices 224 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:03,910 like we're talking to me sort of 225 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:07,050 singsong II I am here sort of voices 226 00:12:15,300 --> 00:12:11,290 they led him to this area where he saw 227 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:15,310 these gnomes these sort of stone not 228 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:17,650 like that the the more typical sort of 229 00:12:20,790 --> 00:12:19,090 garden gnomes we see today which are 230 00:12:23,010 --> 00:12:20,800 more cartoonish but these sort of like 231 00:12:27,420 --> 00:12:23,020 stone I guess almost like gargoyle like 232 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:27,430 stone gnomes and he associated those 233 00:12:33,660 --> 00:12:31,930 gnomes with these voices and then after 234 00:12:36,930 --> 00:12:33,670 that experience he heard these voices 235 00:12:39,330 --> 00:12:36,940 one last time as he was leaving I forget 236 00:12:41,850 --> 00:12:39,340 the name now that the area he was in in 237 00:12:43,530 --> 00:12:41,860 New York but as he was in the train 238 00:12:45,510 --> 00:12:43,540 station leaving he heard these voices 239 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:45,520 saying we'll see you soon I'll see you 240 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:48,970 soon or goodbye and he associated them 241 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:51,010 with the garden gnomes that hid sort of 242 00:12:57,210 --> 00:12:54,250 these voices had led him to and I 243 00:12:59,700 --> 00:12:57,220 thought of it almost like a like you 244 00:13:01,470 --> 00:12:59,710 know like a computer icon sort of thing 245 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:01,480 like you see this icon so he's hearing 246 00:13:06,750 --> 00:13:04,330 the voice and he sees this the gnomes 247 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:06,760 themselves whatever the voices were that 248 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:10,450 he associated with these beings were not 249 00:13:16,140 --> 00:13:12,730 necessarily looking like the gnomes but 250 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:16,150 he almost in his mind he was giving the 251 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:18,490 sort of idea of we are these sort of you 252 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:21,850 know preternatural beings and this is 253 00:13:26,430 --> 00:13:24,370 what we are these gnomes so this is why 254 00:13:28,770 --> 00:13:26,440 he associated it with the gnomes but I 255 00:13:30,750 --> 00:13:28,780 mean he didn't actually see the gnomes 256 00:13:32,870 --> 00:13:30,760 moving or speaking to him it was all 257 00:13:35,540 --> 00:13:32,880 sort of like that an internal it 258 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:35,550 aryans yeah just like that just like 259 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:39,090 I've had mm-hmm exactly 260 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:42,450 and now and I pose the question dude 261 00:13:48,590 --> 00:13:44,970 gnomes that come in male and female or 262 00:13:51,530 --> 00:13:48,600 are they all genderless I always thought 263 00:13:53,630 --> 00:13:51,540 of them is sort of genderless the gnomes 264 00:13:56,030 --> 00:13:53,640 I mean fairies usually are traditionally 265 00:13:58,190 --> 00:13:56,040 female but I mean there's male fairies - 266 00:13:59,690 --> 00:13:58,200 I'm sure they are suppose you could have 267 00:14:02,150 --> 00:13:59,700 female gnomes 268 00:14:04,670 --> 00:14:02,160 yeah because most of the most of the the 269 00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:04,680 figures that we see seem to be male but 270 00:14:08,210 --> 00:14:06,720 you can't really tell because there are 271 00:14:09,590 --> 00:14:08,220 they're always wearing some kind of a 272 00:14:12,860 --> 00:14:09,600 little hat or something that's pulled 273 00:14:14,810 --> 00:14:12,870 down over their their their head now I 274 00:14:17,300 --> 00:14:14,820 know when the the chapter you did for 275 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:17,310 the incredible alien encounters you 276 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:19,290 described an incident that happened to 277 00:14:24,670 --> 00:14:21,690 you it's not exactly a gnome but it was 278 00:14:29,870 --> 00:14:24,680 something totally a strange and bizarre 279 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:29,880 floating in the atmosphere oh you mean 280 00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:33,990 the eye maybe you're thinking of his 281 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:36,240 because he had another experience before 282 00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:39,090 that a UFO experience okay well there 283 00:14:45,290 --> 00:14:41,310 was something that you described of like 284 00:14:48,950 --> 00:14:45,300 a green illuminated figure ah that was 285 00:14:52,250 --> 00:14:48,960 his okay so after I spoke to him and I 286 00:14:55,090 --> 00:14:52,260 asked him have you had any other type of 287 00:14:59,390 --> 00:14:55,100 strange encounter like this before and 288 00:15:03,320 --> 00:14:59,400 he did say that that yours prior to that 289 00:15:06,140 --> 00:15:03,330 he saw what he believed was a UFO and he 290 00:15:09,250 --> 00:15:06,150 said that it looked almost like to him 291 00:15:13,790 --> 00:15:09,260 he described it like a fish almost or a 292 00:15:15,410 --> 00:15:13,800 drop and it was green and he he had been 293 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:15,420 watching like I think it was a 294 00:15:20,930 --> 00:15:17,760 basketball game or something like this 295 00:15:22,190 --> 00:15:20,940 with a with a roommate at the time I 296 00:15:24,290 --> 00:15:22,200 think he may have still been in 297 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:24,300 university at the time and they they 298 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:26,970 both witnessed this and he said it was 299 00:15:32,270 --> 00:15:30,330 like so surreal like it he said it 300 00:15:33,650 --> 00:15:32,280 almost looked like I like cartoonish he 301 00:15:36,650 --> 00:15:33,660 couldn't believe what he was seeing 302 00:15:39,020 --> 00:15:36,660 and it was a UFO so I thought it was 303 00:15:41,540 --> 00:15:39,030 interesting that he had a UFO experience 304 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:41,550 didn't see any occupants or anything 305 00:15:45,530 --> 00:15:43,890 with this sort of strange green thing 306 00:15:48,290 --> 00:15:45,540 that was in the sky that 307 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:48,300 it sounds like an occupant itself they 308 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:50,610 could possibly be I mean you know you 309 00:15:58,280 --> 00:15:52,530 never know it could be its own sort of 310 00:16:00,890 --> 00:15:58,290 life or being or something but it was 311 00:16:03,290 --> 00:16:00,900 years later after that he had had this 312 00:16:06,020 --> 00:16:03,300 experience where he began hearing these 313 00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:06,030 voices which this was the only time that 314 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:09,120 he ever had that sort of experience sort 315 00:16:15,380 --> 00:16:13,050 of the the auditory or hearing these 316 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:15,390 strange voices that were speaking to him 317 00:16:20,930 --> 00:16:18,210 greeting him saying hello here we are 318 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:20,940 sort of in the singsong he kind of I 319 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:23,910 guess very style of a voice but they you 320 00:16:29,330 --> 00:16:26,490 know and then leading him to because 321 00:16:32,180 --> 00:16:29,340 they he said he followed to their voices 322 00:16:35,450 --> 00:16:32,190 they sort of led him to this yard where 323 00:16:37,340 --> 00:16:35,460 he saw these gnomes so he sort of at 324 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:37,350 that point realized that he was having 325 00:16:43,490 --> 00:16:38,970 an experience with something that was 326 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:43,500 maybe supernatural definitely well well 327 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:46,890 okay let us take it a step further have 328 00:16:55,310 --> 00:16:51,210 you had any experiences of kind of along 329 00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:55,320 that the liner or anything related I did 330 00:17:01,490 --> 00:16:57,920 have experiences like that as a child 331 00:17:04,100 --> 00:17:01,500 and and when I was little I I just 332 00:17:07,610 --> 00:17:04,110 assumed that these sort of little beings 333 00:17:09,439 --> 00:17:07,620 that I was seeing were like ghosts I 334 00:17:13,449 --> 00:17:09,449 thought that and then they they scared 335 00:17:17,390 --> 00:17:13,459 me and I had a few experiences like that 336 00:17:21,050 --> 00:17:17,400 which I write about in on my website on 337 00:17:23,150 --> 00:17:21,060 my blog I've wrote a little man and I 338 00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:23,160 didn't know what sort of to make of this 339 00:17:29,060 --> 00:17:26,480 as a child other than they scared me but 340 00:17:31,190 --> 00:17:29,070 years later I was talking with a friend 341 00:17:33,770 --> 00:17:31,200 and and and I had been become a 342 00:17:35,630 --> 00:17:33,780 researcher at that point and sort of it 343 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:35,640 was like what I saw was like a little 344 00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:38,250 lamb like sort of like a like a little 345 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:41,840 Aleister Crowley like creature being 346 00:17:51,970 --> 00:17:46,490 wasn't it was sort of malevolent and 347 00:17:57,590 --> 00:17:55,040 but but I had seen more than one as a 348 00:17:59,360 --> 00:17:57,600 child but I didn't really put it with 349 00:18:01,010 --> 00:17:59,370 UFOs until much much later 350 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:01,020 and then I wasn't really interested in 351 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:03,330 UFOs until I was an adult and I was 23 352 00:18:11,870 --> 00:18:07,610 and I saw this huge sort of glowing red 353 00:18:15,530 --> 00:18:11,880 UFO in the sky with my brother-in-law at 354 00:18:18,140 --> 00:18:15,540 the time and it was over our plant it 355 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:18,150 was in it was it was in the Pickering 356 00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:20,850 nuclear plant just outside of Toronto 357 00:18:26,330 --> 00:18:23,840 and at the time I was living in a large 358 00:18:30,020 --> 00:18:26,340 condominium I was on the 10th story and 359 00:18:32,210 --> 00:18:30,030 I my balcony was facing out towards the 360 00:18:33,799 --> 00:18:32,220 lake and the the nuclear power plant I 361 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:33,809 could see it off in the distance and 362 00:18:39,250 --> 00:18:35,970 that is the direction in which we saw 363 00:18:42,530 --> 00:18:39,260 this huge glowing thing and at the time 364 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:42,540 there were this was pre-internet so I 365 00:18:46,940 --> 00:18:44,970 didn't really know like who to turn to I 366 00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:46,950 didn't want to call police saya cuz I 367 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:48,240 didn't I thought people are gonna think 368 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:51,570 we're nuts and so again it was probably 369 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:54,090 about 10 years later that I found MUFON 370 00:18:57,950 --> 00:18:56,370 after I had the at that point it had a 371 00:19:00,080 --> 00:18:57,960 computer at home and I was able to 372 00:19:02,660 --> 00:19:00,090 report the sighting and found out that 373 00:19:04,669 --> 00:19:02,670 there were many sightings with nuclear 374 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:04,679 not only that nuclear plant but many 375 00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:08,370 other oh yeah in India Indian Point and 376 00:19:14,570 --> 00:19:12,480 maybe Chernobyl even with the sighting 377 00:19:19,370 --> 00:19:14,580 of some bird-like creature perhaps 378 00:19:22,910 --> 00:19:19,380 related to to a Mothman now I see you 379 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:22,920 put quite a bit of a stock in the work 380 00:19:29,660 --> 00:19:27,050 research done by jacques of Vallet 381 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:29,670 obviously his book at passport to 382 00:19:34,790 --> 00:19:32,250 begonia which is certainly one of my 383 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:34,800 all-time favorites must have had an 384 00:19:42,110 --> 00:19:39,330 impact on you oh absolutely I it's 385 00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:42,120 because I when I first got involved in 386 00:19:46,340 --> 00:19:44,280 in the study of UFOs I was pretty much 387 00:19:48,590 --> 00:19:46,350 trying to look at it from it just a nuts 388 00:19:51,230 --> 00:19:48,600 and bolts type of you and then that 389 00:19:53,299 --> 00:19:51,240 really didn't it wasn't satisfactory for 390 00:19:55,910 --> 00:19:53,309 me it didn't satisfy me as to what was 391 00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:55,920 going on and as I began spending more 392 00:20:00,350 --> 00:19:58,080 and more time with UFO witnesses I 393 00:20:02,810 --> 00:20:00,360 realized that the most important thing 394 00:20:05,060 --> 00:20:02,820 was the witness and their story because 395 00:20:07,550 --> 00:20:05,070 that's really what what we have that's 396 00:20:09,770 --> 00:20:07,560 tangible with UFOs it's it's the people 397 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:09,780 that are experiencing them and then 398 00:20:13,010 --> 00:20:11,970 finding Jacques Vallee and finding out 399 00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:13,020 that yeah if you 400 00:20:19,370 --> 00:20:16,559 if you look at these modern experiences 401 00:20:21,260 --> 00:20:19,380 and then you go back in history and you 402 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:21,270 start seeing what people are describing 403 00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:25,190 as either fairies or particularly fairy 404 00:20:30,730 --> 00:20:27,840 kidnappings of people and things it's 405 00:20:35,030 --> 00:20:30,740 very similar to the modern abduction 406 00:20:37,310 --> 00:20:35,040 experience you know we may not accept or 407 00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:37,320 some of us may not accept fairies now 408 00:20:44,270 --> 00:20:39,780 but I mean it's far more easier to 409 00:20:46,490 --> 00:20:44,280 accept perhaps the idea of an alien you 410 00:20:47,810 --> 00:20:46,500 know most people now believe that that 411 00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:47,820 we're not alone in the universe that 412 00:20:53,450 --> 00:20:49,710 there's at least some type of life 413 00:20:55,610 --> 00:20:53,460 somewhere so maybe in this age of you 414 00:20:58,010 --> 00:20:55,620 know age of space and information it's 415 00:21:00,350 --> 00:20:58,020 easier for people to conceive of an 416 00:21:03,799 --> 00:21:00,360 alien coming from another world than a 417 00:21:05,180 --> 00:21:03,809 fairy or a Nomura but the fairies and 418 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:05,190 the gnomes and that still they still 419 00:21:09,799 --> 00:21:07,530 have their place because I've taken more 420 00:21:12,020 --> 00:21:09,809 than than one I mean there's the one 421 00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:12,030 that you know I I wrote about for you 422 00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:15,840 guys but there's also a recent one that 423 00:21:21,610 --> 00:21:18,360 I did with a woman who's also urban 424 00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:21,620 professional living in Toronto she 425 00:21:29,450 --> 00:21:24,720 started having experiences with what she 426 00:21:32,419 --> 00:21:29,460 calls fairies at little light balls but 427 00:21:35,780 --> 00:21:32,429 that that also speak to her sort of in a 428 00:21:38,750 --> 00:21:35,790 telepathic way and this began happening 429 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:38,760 she sort of it was a few years after she 430 00:21:42,980 --> 00:21:41,370 had emigrated to Canada from South 431 00:21:45,470 --> 00:21:42,990 America I believe it was Columbia and 432 00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:45,480 she was feeling very isolated at the 433 00:21:49,130 --> 00:21:47,280 time she was having a lot of problems in 434 00:21:52,310 --> 00:21:49,140 her marriage at that point of time and 435 00:21:55,730 --> 00:21:52,320 then there was a death in her family and 436 00:21:58,760 --> 00:21:55,740 so she was at a very low low point when 437 00:22:01,730 --> 00:21:58,770 these beings just appeared in this park 438 00:22:04,190 --> 00:22:01,740 area just outside of Toronto where she 439 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:04,200 was living in Burlington for people that 440 00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:06,650 might be familiar with southern Ontario 441 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:10,140 Burlington Ontario and she was having 442 00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:13,650 these experiences and and she at the end 443 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:15,240 at first she was frightened and startled 444 00:22:21,740 --> 00:22:18,090 by them but then she felt very comforted 445 00:22:23,630 --> 00:22:21,750 and this was going on for her probably 446 00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,640 for about six months she'd go to the 447 00:22:26,390 --> 00:22:25,679 park she tried to take pictures of them 448 00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:26,400 but 449 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:27,840 the pictures never turn out they're 450 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:30,210 little blurs of light so that could be 451 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:33,330 anything but the the experience brought 452 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:35,970 her a lot of comfort and then after sort 453 00:22:40,460 --> 00:22:38,490 of things got together and she was got 454 00:22:41,770 --> 00:22:40,470 herself together with her job and sorted 455 00:22:43,730 --> 00:22:41,780 out things with her marriage and that 456 00:22:47,450 --> 00:22:43,740 Teferi stopped coming 457 00:22:51,260 --> 00:22:47,460 but she said prior to that and coming 458 00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:51,270 from a South American the culture that 459 00:22:55,820 --> 00:22:53,940 she came from there really wasn't she 460 00:22:59,090 --> 00:22:55,830 was surprised to have this particular 461 00:22:59,480 --> 00:22:59,100 experience in Canada yep I hear the 462 00:23:02,210 --> 00:22:59,490 music 463 00:23:07,630 --> 00:23:02,220 yeah we're unfortunately we are coming 464 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:07,640 up to our well bottom of the album wait 465 00:23:13,460 --> 00:23:10,290 let me go in Phil might let me go and 466 00:23:15,140 --> 00:23:13,470 fill my watering can here and get back 467 00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:15,150 into the yard for a few minutes and then 468 00:23:19,470 --> 00:23:17,580 we'll return in just a few we'll be back 469 00:23:27,759 --> 00:23:19,480 in just a few minutes the stage 470 00:23:34,490 --> 00:23:31,909 now back to exploring the bazaar with 471 00:23:37,820 --> 00:23:34,500 two of the most electrifying researchers 472 00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:37,830 in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca 473 00:23:45,889 --> 00:23:43,769 Lee and tastes welcome back to explore 474 00:23:48,860 --> 00:23:45,899 in the bazaar on Tim Schwarz tonight our 475 00:23:52,539 --> 00:23:48,870 guest this Susan Demeter st. Claire and 476 00:23:56,659 --> 00:23:52,549 were we've been talking about UFOs 477 00:23:59,509 --> 00:23:56,669 elementals the wee folk just all kinds 478 00:24:03,619 --> 00:23:59,519 of interesting things and Susan one of 479 00:24:07,039 --> 00:24:03,629 the things that that I've I've observed 480 00:24:10,039 --> 00:24:07,049 when it comes to you know say like the 481 00:24:14,149 --> 00:24:10,049 the gnomes and elementals and and a lot 482 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:14,159 of the UFO occupants and I mean we've 483 00:24:20,389 --> 00:24:17,850 seen this for centuries is that they're 484 00:24:23,060 --> 00:24:20,399 they're tiny they're they're you know 485 00:24:24,740 --> 00:24:23,070 we've got called dwarves knows things 486 00:24:28,999 --> 00:24:24,750 like that and I mean there are a few 487 00:24:34,570 --> 00:24:29,009 exceptions of big elementals but 488 00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:34,580 majority of them are are little and I 489 00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:37,049 stupid question I suppose but you know 490 00:24:43,519 --> 00:24:40,289 why do you think that is that's a good 491 00:24:46,129 --> 00:24:43,529 question and I really don't know why we 492 00:24:47,450 --> 00:24:46,139 conceive of them is so little the only 493 00:24:51,129 --> 00:24:47,460 place I can think of them where they're 494 00:24:54,169 --> 00:24:51,139 consistently seemingly huge is in like 495 00:24:56,299 --> 00:24:54,179 Western Australian sort of the 496 00:24:59,409 --> 00:24:56,309 Aboriginal Australians their their 497 00:25:02,360 --> 00:24:59,419 concept of these sort of nature beings 498 00:25:06,649 --> 00:25:02,370 are huge and they can be seven eight 499 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:06,659 feet tall I don't know why that it's a 500 00:25:10,669 --> 00:25:08,730 good question don't they it seems that 501 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:10,679 just it goes back that's it they are 502 00:25:14,570 --> 00:25:12,570 just really tiny little beings 503 00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:14,580 yeah and it's and it's Univ almost 504 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:17,940 universal as well yeah oh you you you 505 00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:22,529 look at all of these very diverse you 506 00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:24,049 know countries and societies and 507 00:25:30,289 --> 00:25:28,200 practically everybody has these these 508 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:30,299 types of creatures and they usually 509 00:25:35,150 --> 00:25:31,410 always describe 510 00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,160 as as little which I mean I've just I've 511 00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:37,200 always found that interesting and and 512 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:40,950 and you can see we continue that into 513 00:25:47,330 --> 00:25:43,770 the modern days with a lot of these UFO 514 00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:47,340 occupants which are little as well again 515 00:25:53,090 --> 00:25:49,140 I mean you know it's it's not a hard 516 00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:53,100 hard and fast rule but I mean even now 517 00:25:58,430 --> 00:25:55,230 with the with the greys they're always 518 00:26:02,000 --> 00:25:58,440 usually described as being you know not 519 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:02,010 the size of of children yeah ya know 520 00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:03,690 it's it's it's true and it's a good 521 00:26:08,690 --> 00:26:07,140 question is it's one that I I I just I 522 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:08,700 really don't have a good answer for 523 00:26:23,870 --> 00:26:11,250 probably I could come up with something 524 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:23,880 but it's like 4:30 in the morning for no 525 00:26:29,390 --> 00:26:26,610 no actually no I I don't I don't know 526 00:26:32,900 --> 00:26:29,400 but it is true and including you know 527 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:32,910 these little beings that that North 528 00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:36,690 American Aboriginal people First Nations 529 00:26:42,350 --> 00:26:38,940 people have also described in that their 530 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:42,360 various lore these little beings I don't 531 00:26:47,150 --> 00:26:43,970 know why it is that they're all little 532 00:26:50,330 --> 00:26:47,160 but you know they all tend to be very 533 00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,340 mischievous I mean we have our ones here 534 00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:53,520 as I mentioned to in Italy that they 535 00:26:57,650 --> 00:26:55,980 either steal things or they can also do 536 00:27:01,310 --> 00:26:57,660 you know like things that were 537 00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:01,320 attributed to to witches and bygone era 538 00:27:07,550 --> 00:27:03,840 of of souring milk and doing things of 539 00:27:11,270 --> 00:27:07,560 that nature and you know bothering with 540 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:11,280 like the farm animals and such yeah they 541 00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:13,770 they they you know and and similar to 542 00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:15,900 the Irish you know you you have to sort 543 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:18,510 of appease to them with little offerings 544 00:27:21,620 --> 00:27:20,250 and things and then they'll be okay like 545 00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:21,630 they can be like good little house 546 00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:25,440 spirits too and you know and and do good 547 00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:28,110 things and find lost things and such but 548 00:27:31,490 --> 00:27:29,460 you know you don't want to piss them off 549 00:27:34,780 --> 00:27:31,500 but again they're they're similar 550 00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:34,790 they're very similar in in description 551 00:27:40,910 --> 00:27:38,700 and in in sort of their their way of 552 00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:40,920 being the being little trickster like 553 00:27:47,980 --> 00:27:44,720 characters well it's you know we 554 00:27:50,620 --> 00:27:47,990 talking about UFO phenomena being you 555 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:50,630 know obviously seems to have some kind 556 00:28:00,190 --> 00:27:55,730 of association with the the elemental 557 00:28:02,409 --> 00:28:00,200 aspect of this I when I was in college I 558 00:28:05,289 --> 00:28:02,419 had a girlfriend that you know she told 559 00:28:07,990 --> 00:28:05,299 me a story one time that when she was 560 00:28:09,820 --> 00:28:08,000 she was like a small child but she said 561 00:28:11,950 --> 00:28:09,830 you know she still distinctly remembers 562 00:28:13,690 --> 00:28:11,960 this she was small enough that she was 563 00:28:15,549 --> 00:28:13,700 sitting in her high chair in the kitchen 564 00:28:18,340 --> 00:28:15,559 but she said that she remembers that 565 00:28:21,340 --> 00:28:18,350 because she was facing like the backyard 566 00:28:23,620 --> 00:28:21,350 window and she kept seeing these little 567 00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:23,630 people that's why she described him 568 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:26,630 flying by this window Chloe I mean close 569 00:28:32,890 --> 00:28:29,210 by this window in like little helicopter 570 00:28:34,390 --> 00:28:32,900 types of advices but she said that there 571 00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:34,400 wasn't like a canopy or anything 572 00:28:37,899 --> 00:28:36,080 covering it so she could see like these 573 00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:37,909 little and she described it was kind of 574 00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:41,360 like a greenish yellow in color just one 575 00:28:48,130 --> 00:28:45,919 after the other flying by her her window 576 00:28:50,590 --> 00:28:48,140 and she said they were about the size of 577 00:28:53,529 --> 00:28:50,600 dolls and she kept trying to you know 578 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:53,539 get her mother's attention you know look 579 00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:55,130 what's going outside the window there 580 00:28:59,440 --> 00:28:57,679 but naturally you know mom's never pay 581 00:29:01,480 --> 00:28:59,450 attention to these sad things and you 582 00:29:04,390 --> 00:29:01,490 know she insisted that this was 583 00:29:06,730 --> 00:29:04,400 something that actually happened to her 584 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:06,740 and I just always find it fascinating 585 00:29:13,330 --> 00:29:10,610 because of and I know that you do as 586 00:29:16,180 --> 00:29:13,340 well all of these stories that come to 587 00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:16,190 us from these people not interested in 588 00:29:21,070 --> 00:29:18,559 publicity or you know having having 589 00:29:24,010 --> 00:29:21,080 their stories included in the book with 590 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:24,020 these these types of stories that don't 591 00:29:29,860 --> 00:29:26,450 fit at least in modern times you know 592 00:29:33,100 --> 00:29:29,870 any kind of pattern or pigeonhole that 593 00:29:38,620 --> 00:29:33,110 we like to put these kinds of phenomena 594 00:29:40,090 --> 00:29:38,630 in mmm-hmm ya know and and it's it's 595 00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:40,100 interesting to me because a lot of 596 00:29:44,860 --> 00:29:42,710 people do when you sit down with a 597 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:44,870 person I mean it's one thing to take a 598 00:29:50,919 --> 00:29:47,770 report a UFO report a more modern one 599 00:29:52,690 --> 00:29:50,929 over the Internet or that it's another 600 00:29:54,909 --> 00:29:52,700 thing to actually go and sit down with 601 00:29:57,399 --> 00:29:54,919 people have a cup of coffee and talk to 602 00:29:58,659 --> 00:29:57,409 them and I find when you do that you 603 00:30:00,220 --> 00:29:58,669 find that they 604 00:30:02,409 --> 00:30:00,230 there's actually usually a wealth of 605 00:30:04,479 --> 00:30:02,419 experience that that goes back and even 606 00:30:06,999 --> 00:30:04,489 into the family but it's something that 607 00:30:09,340 --> 00:30:07,009 you have to do in person and many times 608 00:30:12,039 --> 00:30:09,350 I have sat down and either the person 609 00:30:14,379 --> 00:30:12,049 has grew up in a haunted house or they 610 00:30:16,029 --> 00:30:14,389 had experiences with strange little 611 00:30:17,619 --> 00:30:16,039 beings that that might have they might 612 00:30:19,180 --> 00:30:17,629 have thought were fairies or gnomes or 613 00:30:20,710 --> 00:30:19,190 whatever and then they think it's a 614 00:30:23,379 --> 00:30:20,720 childhood thing and they put it aside 615 00:30:25,989 --> 00:30:23,389 and they don't include that sort of 616 00:30:28,139 --> 00:30:25,999 information in it in a standard sort of 617 00:30:30,820 --> 00:30:28,149 UFO report that you might give to MUFON 618 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:30,830 and sometimes they realize that it 619 00:30:35,169 --> 00:30:32,570 sounds crazy so they don't want to even 620 00:30:37,779 --> 00:30:35,179 they don't want to you know muddy up the 621 00:30:39,279 --> 00:30:37,789 the the the more modern sort of adult 622 00:30:40,899 --> 00:30:39,289 interpretation of something they might 623 00:30:43,299 --> 00:30:40,909 have seen in the sky with strange 624 00:30:45,609 --> 00:30:43,309 experiences they had as a child but I 625 00:30:48,009 --> 00:30:45,619 feel that it is in those details that 626 00:30:49,570 --> 00:30:48,019 maybe there might be something that can 627 00:30:51,580 --> 00:30:49,580 help us understand a little bit more 628 00:30:53,859 --> 00:30:51,590 what's going on here with the with the 629 00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:53,869 more modern UFO experience there was 630 00:31:00,639 --> 00:30:57,710 another lady I talked to a few years ago 631 00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:00,649 I actually worked with her and she never 632 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:02,720 told me her stories until after she 633 00:31:06,729 --> 00:31:05,090 retired so after she retired she said 634 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:06,739 you know I know you're into UFOs I have 635 00:31:10,539 --> 00:31:08,570 to tell you this and she told me about 636 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:10,549 these amazing experiences she had 637 00:31:16,659 --> 00:31:14,330 involving Lake Ontario but prior to that 638 00:31:22,810 --> 00:31:16,669 as a child when she grew up in rural 639 00:31:25,869 --> 00:31:22,820 Ontario in the 1950s she saw what she 640 00:31:29,019 --> 00:31:25,879 described as these little people driving 641 00:31:31,869 --> 00:31:29,029 this very tiny little car and they 642 00:31:34,930 --> 00:31:31,879 actually drove this little car up these 643 00:31:38,409 --> 00:31:34,940 sort of hydro pole and along these wires 644 00:31:40,570 --> 00:31:38,419 and she swears she saw it indeed but she 645 00:31:42,669 --> 00:31:40,580 said you know a you think if this is a 646 00:31:45,729 --> 00:31:42,679 childhood thing and you try and me you 647 00:31:47,739 --> 00:31:45,739 know maybe I was imagining but it's 648 00:31:49,989 --> 00:31:47,749 interesting that she had that and then 649 00:31:52,060 --> 00:31:49,999 later as a much older person had these 650 00:31:55,659 --> 00:31:52,070 strange experiences involving the lake 651 00:31:58,090 --> 00:31:55,669 including a triangular UFO in in 652 00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:58,100 southern Ontario but as an adult and 653 00:32:03,999 --> 00:32:01,039 with more than one witness so a really 654 00:32:06,009 --> 00:32:04,009 good report but but that little detail 655 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:06,019 came out after and like I said that 656 00:32:10,269 --> 00:32:08,330 you'd be surprised how many people have 657 00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:10,279 a history of other paranormal 658 00:32:17,049 --> 00:32:13,760 experiences including with little piece 659 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:17,059 before or after the UFO that's that's 660 00:32:19,990 --> 00:32:18,890 that's a great that's a great story I 661 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:20,000 love that one 662 00:32:28,210 --> 00:32:25,130 well okay but then how many how many UFO 663 00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:28,220 investigators would be willing to 664 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:29,929 actually take down that kind of 665 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:32,690 information if it was offered to them 666 00:32:37,390 --> 00:32:34,370 I mean maybe we're seeing a little bit 667 00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:37,400 more now but it wasn't that long ago if 668 00:32:41,860 --> 00:32:39,020 you had mentioned a story like that they 669 00:32:44,260 --> 00:32:41,870 just tear up your a full report and you 670 00:32:46,899 --> 00:32:44,270 know find the nearest exit well yeah 671 00:32:48,730 --> 00:32:46,909 maybe that's why after you know 70 some 672 00:32:51,639 --> 00:32:48,740 odd years we really don't have a clue as 673 00:32:55,510 --> 00:32:51,649 to what the off-post truly are seven 674 00:32:57,610 --> 00:32:55,520 pinions I hate to be mean that way but I 675 00:32:59,139 --> 00:32:57,620 mean I think that that's white you like 676 00:33:01,600 --> 00:32:59,149 with just that nuts and bolts approach 677 00:33:04,899 --> 00:33:01,610 and I mean if there's a place for that 678 00:33:07,029 --> 00:33:04,909 but I think that really you have to look 679 00:33:10,330 --> 00:33:07,039 at the human being that is having these 680 00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:10,340 experiences you know I mean animals 681 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:12,049 might have these experiences too but 682 00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:13,970 obviously they can't communicate them to 683 00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,289 us but you know with with the witness I 684 00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:20,240 think is the primary thing and many 685 00:33:24,909 --> 00:33:22,480 people do have these experiences as 686 00:33:27,220 --> 00:33:24,919 children or as young people or even as 687 00:33:30,430 --> 00:33:27,230 adults like I said with before with the 688 00:33:32,350 --> 00:33:30,440 woman who had was a new immigrant to 689 00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:32,360 Canada and was going through a really 690 00:33:35,649 --> 00:33:34,100 hard time in her life and then all of a 691 00:33:38,019 --> 00:33:35,659 sudden these little light beings these 692 00:33:40,450 --> 00:33:38,029 little fairies with these little fairy 693 00:33:41,710 --> 00:33:40,460 like voices speaking to her and more or 694 00:33:44,049 --> 00:33:41,720 less sort of giving her encouragement 695 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:44,059 and you know telling her things would be 696 00:33:47,470 --> 00:33:44,809 okay 697 00:33:49,690 --> 00:33:47,480 appeared to her as an adult and I mean 698 00:33:51,580 --> 00:33:49,700 this woman I met with this woman and she 699 00:33:53,860 --> 00:33:51,590 is you know an executive this is a 700 00:33:56,230 --> 00:33:53,870 person this is not somebody who is you 701 00:33:57,549 --> 00:33:56,240 know you you you might not think that a 702 00:34:00,460 --> 00:33:57,559 person like that would have these 703 00:34:02,830 --> 00:34:00,470 experiences as an adult but she did you 704 00:34:05,139 --> 00:34:02,840 know so you know there's there's 705 00:34:08,740 --> 00:34:05,149 something definitely to it and it is 706 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:08,750 connected with the UFO phenomena and III 707 00:34:13,629 --> 00:34:12,050 hope that more investigators will take 708 00:34:17,169 --> 00:34:13,639 the time to actually sit down with 709 00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:17,179 people and sort of maybe probe the the 710 00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:19,129 depths of their person more than just 711 00:34:23,169 --> 00:34:21,169 you know here's the report what is that 712 00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:23,179 what does the UFO look like what shape 713 00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,280 is it where did you see it you know 714 00:34:31,570 --> 00:34:27,919 maybe concentrate a little bit more on 715 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:31,580 the person who is a tangible things and 716 00:34:36,940 --> 00:34:34,730 then you know the object which you know 717 00:34:39,609 --> 00:34:36,950 unless you're there with them you you're 718 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:39,619 not gonna really know you know and now 719 00:34:44,020 --> 00:34:41,450 we live in the age of drones and things 720 00:34:46,599 --> 00:34:44,030 like that it's very difficult to sort of 721 00:34:48,849 --> 00:34:46,609 say well what is it that this person is 722 00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:48,859 has seen unless we're there with them 723 00:34:54,609 --> 00:34:49,369 right 724 00:34:57,220 --> 00:34:54,619 you don't know now the the woman who had 725 00:35:00,099 --> 00:34:57,230 the experience with the the light beings 726 00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:00,109 who were you know basically giving her 727 00:35:06,970 --> 00:35:02,800 you know friendly and reassuring 728 00:35:10,740 --> 00:35:06,980 messages that that seems to be a little 729 00:35:16,349 --> 00:35:10,750 unusual when it comes to people's 730 00:35:18,430 --> 00:35:16,359 interactions with these elementals 731 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:18,440 seems to me that the majority in the 732 00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:22,010 cases the elementals are either you know 733 00:35:29,190 --> 00:35:25,510 they just basically ignore the people or 734 00:35:33,099 --> 00:35:29,200 run away or you know sometimes at 735 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:33,109 somewhat you know in you know a hostage 736 00:35:38,650 --> 00:35:36,650 with a little bit of hostility some type 737 00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:38,660 well ya know sometimes they can be very 738 00:35:43,540 --> 00:35:40,700 hostile but it's the same with it the 739 00:35:45,250 --> 00:35:43,550 UFO experience all right which which in 740 00:35:48,099 --> 00:35:45,260 my opinion could be the one in the same 741 00:35:50,829 --> 00:35:48,109 thing sometimes people have miraculous 742 00:35:53,410 --> 00:35:50,839 healing sometimes they become healers 743 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:53,420 other times they they've been 744 00:35:58,570 --> 00:35:56,330 traumatized and and and harmed so I mean 745 00:36:02,950 --> 00:35:58,580 I think it's the same thing with these 746 00:36:06,970 --> 00:36:02,960 sort of beings I was part of an 747 00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:06,980 investigation of a case in Belgium where 748 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:11,710 a man was also having experiences with 749 00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:15,770 UFOs light larger lights in the sky 750 00:36:21,579 --> 00:36:17,800 which he was trying to document 751 00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:21,589 scientifically but at the same time when 752 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:23,630 probing his story you find out that 753 00:36:29,770 --> 00:36:27,290 these experiences sort of began when 754 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:29,780 there was a trauma within his family and 755 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:33,770 his wife was in a very bad state and she 756 00:36:38,349 --> 00:36:35,930 started seeing these little light balls 757 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:38,359 within the house like they started 758 00:36:42,460 --> 00:36:38,930 experience 759 00:36:45,010 --> 00:36:42,470 within the house and then later on they 760 00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:45,020 with other witnesses started seeing this 761 00:36:53,319 --> 00:36:49,250 light phenomena in the night sky so you 762 00:36:55,510 --> 00:36:53,329 know again like gee in this case felt 763 00:36:58,780 --> 00:36:55,520 that and I think that he did as well at 764 00:37:01,150 --> 00:36:58,790 the end of the day that this this 765 00:37:03,490 --> 00:37:01,160 phenomena was somehow personal to them 766 00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:03,500 and that she actually found comfort 767 00:37:08,049 --> 00:37:06,020 event like from the trauma that she was 768 00:37:09,849 --> 00:37:08,059 going through in life by seeing these 769 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:09,859 light balls and there's there's like a 770 00:37:14,650 --> 00:37:12,770 whole history of that there's um there's 771 00:37:16,569 --> 00:37:14,660 some really good books out there and in 772 00:37:18,970 --> 00:37:16,579 regards to the little light balls and 773 00:37:22,870 --> 00:37:18,980 and appearing at times of stress 774 00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:22,880 appearing at times of death and bringing 775 00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:25,250 comfort so they themselves they're 776 00:37:31,710 --> 00:37:28,790 they're almost like a little UFO they 777 00:37:34,690 --> 00:37:31,720 these little or be like things that 778 00:37:36,970 --> 00:37:34,700 people see in experience and they could 779 00:37:39,609 --> 00:37:36,980 also be tied in with this elemental idea 780 00:37:42,579 --> 00:37:39,619 you know the the woman said the woman in 781 00:37:43,930 --> 00:37:42,589 in Burlington said that when she would 782 00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:43,940 go out to the park she would see these 783 00:37:48,099 --> 00:37:45,680 these fairies and they were like little 784 00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:48,109 white balls but they she could almost 785 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:52,000 see look little faces in them hmm yeah 786 00:37:56,170 --> 00:37:54,530 like this was a wide-awake this is not 787 00:37:58,299 --> 00:37:56,180 like I'm lying in bed and these things 788 00:38:01,210 --> 00:37:58,309 are happening and I could have she she 789 00:38:03,069 --> 00:38:01,220 would go out and she liked going to this 790 00:38:04,930 --> 00:38:03,079 park because you know she was stressed 791 00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,940 and not and she would like you know she 792 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:07,760 would drop her kids off and and and she 793 00:38:11,980 --> 00:38:09,650 would go into and take her her walk in 794 00:38:14,140 --> 00:38:11,990 the park and she would see these little 795 00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:14,150 things and they would give her these 796 00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:16,250 telepathic messages that were of you 797 00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:18,609 know it's going to be okay kind of thing 798 00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:21,049 now you made an interesting statement 799 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:25,119 there with the the woman who said that 800 00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:31,130 that she felt like that these started 801 00:38:36,339 --> 00:38:32,510 out as you know the little lights in the 802 00:38:39,130 --> 00:38:36,349 house and then eventually ended up with 803 00:38:42,010 --> 00:38:39,140 you know full-blown UFOs outside that 804 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:42,020 this was I had you put a personal 805 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:47,210 experience almost or well she she had 806 00:38:52,690 --> 00:38:50,210 tied it in with the death of she had had 807 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:52,700 a bad personal experience in the 808 00:38:57,309 --> 00:38:55,490 that she was um a very strained 809 00:38:59,559 --> 00:38:57,319 relationship with her father who was 810 00:39:02,289 --> 00:38:59,569 living in another country at that point 811 00:39:04,630 --> 00:39:02,299 and he passed away and things were 812 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:04,640 unresolved and this brought on a lot of 813 00:39:07,809 --> 00:39:06,530 depression and things she was going 814 00:39:10,690 --> 00:39:07,819 through a lot of personal issues in the 815 00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:10,700 house and eventually she sort of tied in 816 00:39:17,950 --> 00:39:14,630 that these light balls appeared at that 817 00:39:20,740 --> 00:39:17,960 very low moment of her time to give her 818 00:39:24,309 --> 00:39:20,750 comfort she she sort of began thinking 819 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:24,319 that this is a personal experience for 820 00:39:29,109 --> 00:39:27,290 me and then her husband who later on was 821 00:39:30,940 --> 00:39:29,119 trying to because he was seeing this 822 00:39:32,170 --> 00:39:30,950 light phenomena he was trying to want 823 00:39:34,359 --> 00:39:32,180 trying to take pictures trying to 824 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:34,369 document it from a scientific point of 825 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:36,410 view eventually came to the same 826 00:39:43,450 --> 00:39:38,770 conclusion that this somehow 827 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:43,460 was an experience for them to just sort 828 00:39:48,250 --> 00:39:45,170 of maybe let them know that there's more 829 00:39:52,270 --> 00:39:48,260 to life than you know what we might 830 00:39:54,819 --> 00:39:52,280 think and that and and she found comfort 831 00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:54,829 eventually in these experiences with 832 00:40:02,710 --> 00:39:57,890 these light balls which which makes me 833 00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:02,720 wonder you look at all of these 834 00:40:08,289 --> 00:40:05,390 different the UFO experiences and 835 00:40:10,510 --> 00:40:08,299 reports say of the the shapes and types 836 00:40:15,490 --> 00:40:10,520 of craft of UFOs and all the different 837 00:40:18,750 --> 00:40:15,500 types of beings coming out of them it's 838 00:40:22,450 --> 00:40:18,760 almost like this phenomena just itself 839 00:40:25,780 --> 00:40:22,460 like you said almost as an individual 840 00:40:29,319 --> 00:40:25,790 type of experience so you know one 841 00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:29,329 person who who has this experience may 842 00:40:34,539 --> 00:40:31,250 see and experience one thing while 843 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:34,549 another sees something completely 844 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:38,530 different you know hone to their own 845 00:40:44,530 --> 00:40:40,730 individual taste is the only thing that 846 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:44,540 I can think of like but you know there 847 00:40:58,359 --> 00:40:53,410 does there seems to be a pattern with 848 00:41:00,039 --> 00:40:58,369 each person maybe being a little bit you 849 00:41:01,420 --> 00:41:00,049 know different you know one person sees 850 00:41:03,910 --> 00:41:01,430 one thing you know there sees another 851 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:03,920 though a lot of times the messages are 852 00:41:08,829 --> 00:41:06,170 always about the same yeah 853 00:41:11,799 --> 00:41:08,839 sure and and the thing is is that I I 854 00:41:14,980 --> 00:41:11,809 think it was Jacques Vallee who said it 855 00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:14,990 that the the bottom line with all these 856 00:41:19,180 --> 00:41:16,880 experiences seems to be the message that 857 00:41:21,730 --> 00:41:19,190 we are not alone whether these things 858 00:41:24,789 --> 00:41:21,740 are co-created with some other 859 00:41:27,279 --> 00:41:24,799 intelligence or an alien or coming from 860 00:41:29,470 --> 00:41:27,289 our Inner Earth or wherever they these 861 00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:29,480 another dimension wherever these these 862 00:41:34,509 --> 00:41:32,329 experiences are originating that the the 863 00:41:38,799 --> 00:41:34,519 maz the core message seems to be we are 864 00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:38,809 not alone so I mean and it is 865 00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:42,319 interesting that people do in even in 866 00:41:47,620 --> 00:41:45,170 sometimes in the same experience or the 867 00:41:49,269 --> 00:41:47,630 same event I mean going to something 868 00:41:51,220 --> 00:41:49,279 completely different but ghosts I've 869 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:51,230 because I also very interested in ghosts 870 00:41:56,500 --> 00:41:53,690 and I did a lot of ghost vigils in my 871 00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:56,510 day and that sort of thing and it's some 872 00:41:59,650 --> 00:41:58,130 people will you could have a room full 873 00:42:01,359 --> 00:41:59,660 of people and two people will see 874 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:01,369 something that's similar like an 875 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:04,490 apparition of a human being but then a 876 00:42:09,940 --> 00:42:06,410 third person in the room will only see 877 00:42:12,970 --> 00:42:09,950 something like a like a like a light or 878 00:42:15,460 --> 00:42:12,980 a veil in something that's completely 879 00:42:16,779 --> 00:42:15,470 you know not looking like a person and 880 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:16,789 then two other people in the room will 881 00:42:22,210 --> 00:42:17,930 say I saw nothing 882 00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:22,220 you know like so I used to think that 883 00:42:26,259 --> 00:42:24,529 maybe it was like a line-of-sight thing 884 00:42:28,569 --> 00:42:26,269 depending upon where you were placed but 885 00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:28,579 I now I'm leaning more towards the idea 886 00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,660 that somehow we are co-creating with 887 00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:35,119 some other intelligence and yeah it sort 888 00:42:42,089 --> 00:42:39,200 of pooling from what we know culturally 889 00:42:44,620 --> 00:42:42,099 and who we are to create something 890 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:44,630 that's sort of what I'm kind of going 891 00:42:50,319 --> 00:42:48,170 with now and that was my the first time 892 00:42:52,650 --> 00:42:50,329 I really heard of the co-creation was 893 00:42:55,630 --> 00:42:52,660 through my dear friend Greg Bishop and 894 00:42:58,480 --> 00:42:55,640 and he this is sort of his idea and he's 895 00:43:01,049 --> 00:42:58,490 written about that and and and it makes 896 00:43:03,279 --> 00:43:01,059 sense to me it really does because 897 00:43:04,839 --> 00:43:03,289 there's all these like like you said 898 00:43:08,769 --> 00:43:04,849 there's a message behind it there's a 899 00:43:10,359 --> 00:43:08,779 the experience seems to be the same but 900 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:10,369 it's all these little just different 901 00:43:16,809 --> 00:43:12,170 elements whether it's a gnome or a grey 902 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:16,819 alien or something else but there's that 903 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:19,970 that bottom line of information 904 00:43:24,820 --> 00:43:22,730 narrative that is the same and that's 905 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:24,830 what valet was was saying already way 906 00:43:31,660 --> 00:43:27,410 back in 1969 with the passport - magana 907 00:43:33,940 --> 00:43:31,670 which is so brilliant even today it also 908 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:33,950 makes me think of you know like all of 909 00:43:42,580 --> 00:43:38,210 these religious messages that that 910 00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:42,590 people have received over the years or 911 00:43:51,339 --> 00:43:46,760 prophesizing and messages from from God 912 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:51,349 and and and deities and they seem to be 913 00:43:58,420 --> 00:43:56,050 very individualistic though they try to 914 00:43:59,830 --> 00:43:58,430 you know spread them out for the rest of 915 00:44:05,080 --> 00:43:59,840 the flock and then you have somebody 916 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:05,090 else come Alexanian another guy again oh 917 00:44:10,980 --> 00:44:08,090 no it's this way and you know the the 918 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:10,990 the UFO and the elemental phenomena 919 00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,290 seems to be very much the same thing so 920 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:17,359 obviously everything seems to be tapping 921 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:23,450 into that same cosmic source I think so 922 00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:26,810 yeah yeah I just for me it's like 923 00:44:32,530 --> 00:44:29,330 whenever I I think I've got it figured 924 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:32,540 out I just I discard it because I just I 925 00:44:42,579 --> 00:44:36,050 think it's just so much more complex 926 00:44:44,859 --> 00:44:42,589 than we can even conceive Oh we'll go 927 00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:44,869 ahead I just oh I just wanted to say I 928 00:44:49,170 --> 00:44:46,400 know we're running short on time here 929 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:49,180 but I did want to send out my 930 00:44:56,170 --> 00:44:52,250 condolences through to close friends of 931 00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:56,180 the show both of whom's spouses passed 932 00:45:03,270 --> 00:44:59,440 away when in the last week or so 933 00:45:06,940 --> 00:45:03,280 Rick hilberg his wife Carol who was a 934 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:06,950 dear friend I mean we see her from time 935 00:45:16,270 --> 00:45:11,330 to time over the years past and Greg 936 00:45:21,130 --> 00:45:16,280 bishops wife also passed away this week 937 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:21,140 and very very sad news you know it's a 938 00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:23,450 like I said close friends of the the 939 00:45:29,109 --> 00:45:26,570 show in them of us and I do want to say 940 00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:29,119 also - then you will be up late Sunday 941 00:45:33,490 --> 00:45:31,010 night because you will be a guest on 942 00:45:33,849 --> 00:45:33,500 coast to coast in talking about the in 943 00:45:36,249 --> 00:45:33,859 crowd 944 00:45:38,890 --> 00:45:36,259 alien encounters but we want to give 945 00:45:41,529 --> 00:45:38,900 Susan the chance to tell people where 946 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:41,539 they can get in touch with her and her 947 00:45:48,489 --> 00:45:44,450 website and blog and so forth so take it 948 00:45:51,759 --> 00:45:48,499 away okay if people want to explore more 949 00:45:54,279 --> 00:45:51,769 what my work I've recently moved most of 950 00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:54,289 my stuff to a main hub which is Susan 951 00:46:01,239 --> 00:45:57,890 Demeter so all one word Susan Demeter 952 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:01,249 calm I'm also on Facebook I'm also on 953 00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:06,130 Twitter so you can find me that way and 954 00:46:11,529 --> 00:46:09,049 yeah I'm always interested in hearing 955 00:46:17,289 --> 00:46:11,539 people's experiences particularly as 956 00:46:18,670 --> 00:46:17,299 they relate to UFOs and of course and 957 00:46:20,769 --> 00:46:18,680 I'm gonna have this book coming out 958 00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:20,779 later in the year both in Italian and in 959 00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:24,190 English which will be about witchcraft 960 00:46:29,650 --> 00:46:27,200 there will be a UFO element to it and 961 00:46:31,420 --> 00:46:29,660 also an elemental and fairy element to 962 00:46:35,949 --> 00:46:31,430 it as well and I explore some of my own 963 00:46:38,349 --> 00:46:35,959 experiences so yeah so a lot a lot to 964 00:46:40,089 --> 00:46:38,359 look forward to this year and it's 965 00:46:46,359 --> 00:46:40,099 always such a pleasure to talk to you 966 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:46,369 both well and I just have so and I feel 967 00:46:51,099 --> 00:46:48,170 so privileged to be part of your book 968 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:51,109 and idea definitely Tim I will shoot you 969 00:46:56,620 --> 00:46:53,930 a PM probably on Facebook I'll give you 970 00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:56,630 my address and I'd love to have a copy 971 00:47:01,979 --> 00:46:59,599 love it all right yes our next book if 972 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:01,989 you have anything is strange alien 973 00:47:09,489 --> 00:47:06,650 artifacts we're just going now and don't 974 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:09,499 forget to tune in to the archives in 975 00:47:17,099 --> 00:47:13,130 case you are and our YouTube page mr. 976 00:47:20,410 --> 00:47:17,109 UFO secret files with some very funky 977 00:47:24,130 --> 00:47:20,420 animation and Tim will be talking to you 978 00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:24,140 and beyond the air listening to you on 979 00:47:34,690 --> 00:47:28,209 the Sunday night so over and out to 980 00:47:40,930 --> 00:47:36,970 you've been listening to exploring the 981 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:40,940 bazaar with hosts Timothy Beckley panty 982 00:47:47,110 --> 00:47:44,210 swaps they're taking back the night by 983 00:47:49,660 --> 00:47:47,120 jetting non-stop across the cosmos in 984 00:47:53,460 --> 00:47:49,670 search of the truly bizarre and totally 985 00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:53,470 unexplained with you as they're cold 986 00:48:00,450 --> 00:47:55,980 Thursday nights at 7:00 p.m. Pacific 987 00:48:01,670 --> 00:48:00,460 10:00 p.m. Eastern on the K cor digital 988 00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:01,680 radio 989 00:48:07,549 --> 00:48:04,140 for more information 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